The Best Conversation About News, Opinion and Censorship You've Ever Heard - Richard Miniter

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What historical perspectives on news and censorship are discussed?

Francis Foster 0:01
They have two conflicting ideas of news, which emerge from two different parts of our history. News sort of starts to begin in ancient Rome. They were trying to control rumors. And as bad as we think the internet is, ancient Rome was far worse. In the 1400s, along the River Rhine, is this idea that free speech is necessary for social peace. The Dutch ideas of the Rhine River tolerance come here. The upper class of New York is terrified. They fear the accountability of the opinions of people.

How did ancient Rome influence modern journalism?

Francis Foster 0:37
And what we're seeing playing out with all of these battles on X and on YouTube is these two different ideas are in a death match. Depending on which side wins depends on how we will see reality in the coming decades.
Richard Miniter 0:55
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Konstantin Kisin 2:34
Richard Minniter, welcome back to Trigonometry. Well, it's great to be back, guys. Well, it is great to have you back because the last episode we did with you, the first episode we did with you, was on our last US trip. I think it was one of the biggest interviews we've done, actually, in the history of the channel. Absolutely crushed it. Fantastic conversation about American history. Today, we wanted to talk to you about the history of news, history of journalism, the history of censorship, and there's a lot to talk about going all the way back.
Francis Foster 3:01
There is a lot to talk about, and... A lot of what people when people fight about news, which they do on the Internet every moment of every day, it's because they have two conflicting ideas of news which emerge from two different parts of our history.

What role did the Rhine River play in the evolution of free speech?

Francis Foster 3:14
And once you understand the history of news, you'll understand why both sides feel so intensely about their point of view.
Konstantin Kisin 3:21
And what are those two sides?
Francis Foster 3:23
Well, let's do the history first. Yeah. OK, so as all good histories, let's start with caves and cave drawings. Right. And the Early humans told stories on the walls of caves. And we think, due to certain DNA evidence, about 100,000 years ago, started telling oral stories. But I would contend while they were passing on new information, they were passing on speculation, emotional reactions to things. They might even have been telling recent history. This is how the hunt went or this happened in the village over the hill. That wasn't news. That was information, speculation, rumor. Just a little aside, also I think scientists misunderstand these cave drawings, these wonderful animals, some of which are extinct and we have no evidence of other than the drawing on the wall of Lascaux in France or various different Spanish caves.
Francis Foster 4:23
But during the ice age, you're spending a lot of days indoors. If I go to any, in the wintertime in the northern hemisphere, any person's home that has children, and I go into the child's room, what's on the walls? Animals, pictures of animals, right? So isn't it possible that they weren't necessarily leaving a record for us, which they had no idea about?

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