Konstantin Kisin

I can't even remember where I was going with this.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

So it's not easy.

And people will vent their frustrations.

But it's also a joy like you've never felt.

Yeah, totally.

And I also think, look, it's interesting.

My mom is staying with us at the moment.

And her and I were having this conversation because she was sort of stress testing my arguments because this is what we do in the Kissing Family, basically, just

argue with each other about kids.

And she was saying, well, you know, you've got a fair bit of public influence.

I'd be very careful about promoting the idea of kids to people because she works with kids.

And she's like, I see all sorts of different environments and whatever.

But I think the thing is, I'm certainly never encouraging people who, if you've made your mind up that you don't want children, I don't think you should have children.

I think that would be a terrible idea, right?

But if you are sort of through the inertia of modern life and the technological changes, people forget about this, right?

But one of the main reasons that people are having kids in far fewer numbers now is urbanization.

I remember I took my father to, we did like a father and son trip to Uzbekistan last year.

You talk to people in Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan is not exactly the most like super developed country, beautiful place, wonderful people, but it's poor, it's country in Central Asia, whatever.

You talk to the people there, they basically say, the moment somebody moves from a village to the city,