Konstantin Kisin

they go from having seven kids to having two or three.

And that's, I think I've talked about this before on the show, there's a guy called Desmond Morris who wrote a book called The Human Zoo.

And he basically talked about the fact that when people live in cities, they behave in very similar ways to the way that animals behave in zoos.

where they stop having as much offspring, they get depressed, there's a lot of interpersonal violence, all of this other stuff.

So the reason that people are having fewer kids today is very largely to do with technology.

It's the urbanization, it's the pill, it's other forms of contraceptives.

So what I'm saying is the inertia of current society now is for people not to have children.

Whereas 100 years ago, it was the exact opposite.

It was almost inevitable that you'd have children, even if it was totally the wrong decision for you.

So when I talk about it, I'm never encouraging people who...

really don't want to do it, to do it.

I'm not saying it's the right thing for everybody, but what I do think is a lot of people are now by default, their default setting is having kids is difficult and expensive and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And all of those things are completely true.

And yet it's also, if you could feel what it's like to have a child, if you're on that fence, I'm just trying to balance out the perspectives that you are getting

through the informational space that you're exposed to by also telling you the other part, which is sort of unfashionable to talk about.

It's very unfashionable for people to talk about having kids from a positive perspective.

You go and watch stand-up comedians talk about their kids.

most of them will be very negative about it.

And likewise with everything else that you're likely to be exposed to.

And I don't think that's a balanced perspective on the issue.