Konstantin Kisin

Well, this is why I was going to flesh out Francis' question a little bit. I think we should all accept, whether we like it or not, that elections have consequences. The president of the United States is President Trump. That's not going to change. The vice president is J.D. Vance. That's not going to change. I imagine none of the other people around are going to change.

So this policy of America will continue. The only question, therefore, remains is actually, based on what you're saying, what does Europe do about this?

So this policy of America will continue. The only question, therefore, remains is actually, based on what you're saying, what does Europe do about this?

So this policy of America will continue. The only question, therefore, remains is actually, based on what you're saying, what does Europe do about this?

But European countries have nuclear weapons as a deterrent.

But European countries have nuclear weapons as a deterrent.

But European countries have nuclear weapons as a deterrent.

I've made this point.

I've made this point.

I've made this point.

I agree. I made this point recently, and I think it's actually an incredibly obvious point that no one... Other than you and me, I've not heard anyone talk about this, even though it's so obvious. But... Nonetheless, you're saying if the Americans let Ukraine be subjugated, the Ukrainians will be added to the Russian army and then that army can be used against Europe.

I agree. I made this point recently, and I think it's actually an incredibly obvious point that no one... Other than you and me, I've not heard anyone talk about this, even though it's so obvious. But... Nonetheless, you're saying if the Americans let Ukraine be subjugated, the Ukrainians will be added to the Russian army and then that army can be used against Europe.

I agree. I made this point recently, and I think it's actually an incredibly obvious point that no one... Other than you and me, I've not heard anyone talk about this, even though it's so obvious. But... Nonetheless, you're saying if the Americans let Ukraine be subjugated, the Ukrainians will be added to the Russian army and then that army can be used against Europe.

And what I'm saying is European countries have nuclear weapons they can use to deter that. That's the comfort that a lot of Europeans will take. And they will say, well, actually, we don't need to do anything. We've got nuclear weapons. Britain and France will be fine.

And what I'm saying is European countries have nuclear weapons they can use to deter that. That's the comfort that a lot of Europeans will take. And they will say, well, actually, we don't need to do anything. We've got nuclear weapons. Britain and France will be fine.

And what I'm saying is European countries have nuclear weapons they can use to deter that. That's the comfort that a lot of Europeans will take. And they will say, well, actually, we don't need to do anything. We've got nuclear weapons. Britain and France will be fine.

It's a good point, well taken. But I'm saying something else, which is your claim is that if Ukraine is forced to sign a ceasefire that leads to subjugation, Europe will then be attacked. And what I'm saying is Europeans won't be attacked, or at least people would argue Europeans won't be attacked, because Europe has the nuclear deterrent.

It's a good point, well taken. But I'm saying something else, which is your claim is that if Ukraine is forced to sign a ceasefire that leads to subjugation, Europe will then be attacked. And what I'm saying is Europeans won't be attacked, or at least people would argue Europeans won't be attacked, because Europe has the nuclear deterrent.

It's a good point, well taken. But I'm saying something else, which is your claim is that if Ukraine is forced to sign a ceasefire that leads to subjugation, Europe will then be attacked. And what I'm saying is Europeans won't be attacked, or at least people would argue Europeans won't be attacked, because Europe has the nuclear deterrent.

Well, Andrey, it's very serious things you're saying. I think people will be scared but also confused and it's very early days in the Trump administration. I will say very sincerely that I hope you're wrong about everything you're saying. But sadly, I'm afraid we're going to just have to wait and see.