Kristi Noem

So by the time we get to 84, the trash is piling up.

The areas are feeling under police.

They are feeling under siege.

People have lost their jobs.

The public sector is being decimated.

There is the public schools.

schools, the public hospitals.

Meanwhile, an AIDS crisis is developing that is getting no care.

And so in this context, it was a possibility, right, that people would say, wait a minute, what's going on here?

We don't actually want all these resources taken away.

But their attention is almost kind of, you know, remarkably effectively directed towards people worse off than them.

No, the problem with New York City is not that we don't have funding anymore for the public sector, for the social safety net for people.

The problem is those people.

It's a moral problem.

It's a problem of the underclass.

That kind of –

Working that out and seeing it in real time and actually seeing how the media, Rupert Murdoch's media that will become Fox News, I mean, he is a right-hand guy in the Reagan administration.

They understand that he's promoting a message, a kind of a conservative sensationalist message that they want promoted.

And so the book kind of, I mean, it lays the spare, I think.

And we get a different understanding, not that people weren't legitimately fearful, but that it was kind of tragically misdirected.