Kurt Mackey

And what they did was they said, here are some ways we can measure DevOps. So it was like metrics like MTTR and lead time, deployment frequency. So they said, here's DevOps. And what they did is correlate it to companies' profitability, stock performance.

And what they did was they said, here are some ways we can measure DevOps. So it was like metrics like MTTR and lead time, deployment frequency. So they said, here's DevOps. And what they did is correlate it to companies' profitability, stock performance.

returns and increases you know emps scores and and by doing that they were able to quote unquote prove and and show the dollar roi hey companies when they invest in devops and get x percentage better their stock prices tend to be x percentage higher right they tend to be x percentage more profitable and so it wasn't perfect yeah that seems a little bit brittle to me

returns and increases you know emps scores and and by doing that they were able to quote unquote prove and and show the dollar roi hey companies when they invest in devops and get x percentage better their stock prices tend to be x percentage higher right they tend to be x percentage more profitable and so it wasn't perfect yeah that seems a little bit brittle to me

Let me tell you what we're doing with developer experience. So we have this construct of what is developer experience. So we have our version of what Stack Overflow has here, where we have, it's called the developer experience index. So it's 14 of the top drivers of developer experience. So we say, okay, that's how we measure developer experience.

Let me tell you what we're doing with developer experience. So we have this construct of what is developer experience. So we have our version of what Stack Overflow has here, where we have, it's called the developer experience index. So it's 14 of the top drivers of developer experience. So we say, okay, that's how we measure developer experience.

Then what we've been doing is correlating that measure to different outcomes. And one of them is actually self-reported time waste reported by developers. So how much time do you, it's a series of different questions we ask about. How much time do you lose each week? How much time is wasted each week due to inefficiencies?

Then what we've been doing is correlating that measure to different outcomes. And one of them is actually self-reported time waste reported by developers. So how much time do you, it's a series of different questions we ask about. How much time do you lose each week? How much time is wasted each week due to inefficiencies?

And when we correlate the two and we found that like a one point increase in the developer experience index score, which is the average of these 14 different areas of developer experience, a one point increase in that score. So one point increase in developer experience translates to almost a one percent decrease in time wasted. And so, again, this isn't perfect.

And when we correlate the two and we found that like a one point increase in the developer experience index score, which is the average of these 14 different areas of developer experience, a one point increase in that score. So one point increase in developer experience translates to almost a one percent decrease in time wasted. And so, again, this isn't perfect.

You could call this brittle as well.

You could call this brittle as well.

Yeah, and it's more direct to dollars. It's not like stock price, which is a little bit of a leap, right? A lot of things, so many things affect the stock price. So, you know, using this approach, we can, folks can say, hey, if we improve developer experience by X points, that translates to X percentage reduction in waste, which translates to X amount of dollars, right?

Yeah, and it's more direct to dollars. It's not like stock price, which is a little bit of a leap, right? A lot of things, so many things affect the stock price. So, you know, using this approach, we can, folks can say, hey, if we improve developer experience by X points, that translates to X percentage reduction in waste, which translates to X amount of dollars, right?

So that's how we're approaching it right now.

So that's how we're approaching it right now.

DXI, yeah, DXI, Developer Experience Index.

DXI, yeah, DXI, Developer Experience Index.

It is. Yeah, I mean, we can't think of any other way to do it. I think the feedback we get is, this is great. If we can make this an industry standard, then my CEO is going to buy it. But there's still an education and... you know, marketing gap there where folks, what I just explained to you, it's hard to get that across in like a five minute executive summary. Right.

It is. Yeah, I mean, we can't think of any other way to do it. I think the feedback we get is, this is great. If we can make this an industry standard, then my CEO is going to buy it. But there's still an education and... you know, marketing gap there where folks, what I just explained to you, it's hard to get that across in like a five minute executive summary. Right.