Kurt Mackey

Yeah, me too. Thanks for going through that with us. So yeah, 10% risk of attrition. We'll plot with you every snapshot.

Yeah, me too. Thanks for going through that with us. So yeah, 10% risk of attrition. We'll plot with you every snapshot.

Yeah, hopefully. I mean, the way I look at this as a startup is, can we try to not end up like GitHub? Right, that's the goal.

Yeah, hopefully. I mean, the way I look at this as a startup is, can we try to not end up like GitHub? Right, that's the goal.

Around their edge velocities specifically, right? I mean, they were at a point where they weren't shipping and people were leaving because it was so hard to ship. Honestly, quite a few companies we work with are kind of in that position, like these big tech companies that went through that hyper growth and churn and

Around their edge velocities specifically, right? I mean, they were at a point where they weren't shipping and people were leaving because it was so hard to ship. Honestly, quite a few companies we work with are kind of in that position, like these big tech companies that went through that hyper growth and churn and

tons of reorgs and are now confronting, okay, now we can't just keep hiring people, but we need to be shipping faster. Where do we get? What are the levers we can pull? It's kind of like health, right? If you can get ahead of this stuff and not... You know, we have four decades of, you know, poor diet and exercise that hits you in your 50s.

tons of reorgs and are now confronting, okay, now we can't just keep hiring people, but we need to be shipping faster. Where do we get? What are the levers we can pull? It's kind of like health, right? If you can get ahead of this stuff and not... You know, we have four decades of, you know, poor diet and exercise that hits you in your 50s.

Like, if we can kind of stay ahead of it, you know, I would hope that we're able to scale the business while staying P90 on velocity, right? That's the goal here right now.

Like, if we can kind of stay ahead of it, you know, I would hope that we're able to scale the business while staying P90 on velocity, right? That's the goal here right now.

I mean, anyone in the developer business, I would say. So, yeah. GitHub? GitHub, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, right? I mean, anyone in the cloud game cares a lot about, like, benchmarking, assessing maturity. Right. Yeah. Even Salesforce is a little bit. Could you IPO? We could. I don't. What do you want to do? I don't know. I'll do whatever fate has in store for us.

I mean, anyone in the developer business, I would say. So, yeah. GitHub? GitHub, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, right? I mean, anyone in the cloud game cares a lot about, like, benchmarking, assessing maturity. Right. Yeah. Even Salesforce is a little bit. Could you IPO? We could. I don't. What do you want to do? I don't know. I'll do whatever fate has in store for us.

We've pretty much bootstrapped the whole thing. We control our own destiny. We don't have to have an IPO. We don't have to sell for $8 billion. We just want to keep I'm just drawn to this problem. And I think I shared this the last time I was on the show. This all started seven years ago when I first became the CTO at a startup.

We've pretty much bootstrapped the whole thing. We control our own destiny. We don't have to have an IPO. We don't have to sell for $8 billion. We just want to keep I'm just drawn to this problem. And I think I shared this the last time I was on the show. This all started seven years ago when I first became the CTO at a startup.

And the CEO asked me, hey, Avi, all the other departments here are reporting metrics each month. Can you start reporting some metrics on the productivity of your engineering team? That was seven years ago. And so I joke with people. I'm still just trying to answer that question because I couldn't answer that question. seven, eight years ago. Right. I asked other CTOs, what are you reporting?

And the CEO asked me, hey, Avi, all the other departments here are reporting metrics each month. Can you start reporting some metrics on the productivity of your engineering team? That was seven years ago. And so I joke with people. I'm still just trying to answer that question because I couldn't answer that question. seven, eight years ago. Right. I asked other CTOs, what are you reporting?

And got 20 different answers. And it was a hard problem.

And got 20 different answers. And it was a hard problem.

I'm the majority.

I'm the majority.