Kurt Mackey

I have a co-founder, but yeah, I'm the majority owner.

I have a co-founder, but yeah, I'm the majority owner.

No, it might have been my previous business, the Pull Panda. That was the singular owner of that. But no, this one, I've had a business partner uh, since the beginning.

No, it might have been my previous business, the Pull Panda. That was the singular owner of that. But no, this one, I've had a business partner uh, since the beginning.

You said bootstrap venture capital. Just, we took a little bit of angel investment at the very beginning from, you know, friends and family. Yeah. Yeah.

You said bootstrap venture capital. Just, we took a little bit of angel investment at the very beginning from, you know, friends and family. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Now we're extremely cashflow positive. And I mean, like to the point where my biggest concern each year is how to spend some of that. So we don't pay taxes, corporate, you know, 20% tax rate. Cause that just gets, goes in the chest. So yeah, we, I try to reinvest it. So we don't, it's better to reinvest it than pay, lose 20%.

Yeah. Now we're extremely cashflow positive. And I mean, like to the point where my biggest concern each year is how to spend some of that. So we don't pay taxes, corporate, you know, 20% tax rate. Cause that just gets, goes in the chest. So yeah, we, I try to reinvest it. So we don't, it's better to reinvest it than pay, lose 20%.

We could just call it developer experience index.

We could just call it developer experience index.

All right, so public clouds suck. I actually think most ways of hosting stuff on the internet sucks. And I have a lot of theories about why this is, but it almost doesn't matter. The reality is if I've built a new app for generating sandwich recipes, because my family's just into specific types of sandwiches that use Braunschweiger as a component, for example.

All right, so public clouds suck. I actually think most ways of hosting stuff on the internet sucks. And I have a lot of theories about why this is, but it almost doesn't matter. The reality is if I've built a new app for generating sandwich recipes, because my family's just into specific types of sandwiches that use Braunschweiger as a component, for example.

And then I want to like put that somewhere. You go to AWS and it's harder than just going and getting like a dedicated server from Hetzner. It's like it's actually like more complicated to figure out how to deploy my dumb sandwich app on top of AWS because it's not built for me as a developer to be productive with. It's built for other people.

And then I want to like put that somewhere. You go to AWS and it's harder than just going and getting like a dedicated server from Hetzner. It's like it's actually like more complicated to figure out how to deploy my dumb sandwich app on top of AWS because it's not built for me as a developer to be productive with. It's built for other people.

It's built for platform teams to kind of build the infrastructure of their dreams and hopefully create a new UX that's useful for the developers that they work with. And again, I feel like every time I talk about this, it's like I'm just too impatient. I don't particularly want to go figure so many things out purely to put my Sandwich app in front of people.

It's built for platform teams to kind of build the infrastructure of their dreams and hopefully create a new UX that's useful for the developers that they work with. And again, I feel like every time I talk about this, it's like I'm just too impatient. I don't particularly want to go figure so many things out purely to put my Sandwich app in front of people.

And I don't particularly want to have to go talk to a platform team once my Sandwich app becomes a huge startup and IPOs and I have to do a deploy. I kind of feel like all that stuff should just work for me without me having to go ask permission or talk to anyone else. And so this has informed a lot of how we've built Fly. Like, we're still a public cloud.

And I don't particularly want to have to go talk to a platform team once my Sandwich app becomes a huge startup and IPOs and I have to do a deploy. I kind of feel like all that stuff should just work for me without me having to go ask permission or talk to anyone else. And so this has informed a lot of how we've built Fly. Like, we're still a public cloud.

We still have a lot of very similar low-level primitives as the bigger guys. But in general, they're designed to be used directly by developers. They're not built for a platform team to kind of cobble together. They're designed to be... useful quickly for developers.

We still have a lot of very similar low-level primitives as the bigger guys. But in general, they're designed to be used directly by developers. They're not built for a platform team to kind of cobble together. They're designed to be... useful quickly for developers.