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Kyle Harper

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

In the 6th century, probably the plague goes south through India and maybe like the ports in Gujarat or along the west coast that are still pretty connected with the Roman world, with East Africa, with Arabia, with the Red Sea.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

that the plague travels on ship across the Indian Ocean because it shows up โ€“ the plague of Justinian shows up in the Red Sea.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

And so that is a clue that it probably is imported on this seaborne commerce.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

But how it got from Central Asia to Gujarat is a hard question.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

There's two things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

First of all, you have to look.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

So there is at present,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

not nearly the same amount of ancient DNA laboratory work that's happening on remains from ancient India.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

So if you're not looking, you're definitely not going to find it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

And people aren't looking.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

Secondly, it takes a lot of luck for it to preserve.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

So the DNA molecule starts degrading.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

The second you die, it just starts falling apart.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

And

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

Even in the best of cases where we're getting it from, usually you're getting it from, if it's pathogen, usually getting it from the dental cavity.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

It's human DNA, you're getting it from the inside of the skull.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

But it takes a lot of luck for it to preserve because the soil conditions will affect the degradation.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

The temperature will affect the degradation.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

And just in a crude sense, heat is bad.