Kylee Dennis

Thank you.

Very excited to be here.

Thank you.

Yes, absolutely.

Well, I sort of deal with that digital romance scam, the one that you go online, dating profile, fake profile, you engage with that profile, believing it is who they represent themselves to be on a dating app.

And then they take you off the dating app and take you into this dark world of conversations.

And then you start engaging with them and then send money and your world is just destroyed in a very, very basic way.

Look, for us now, it's number three in Australia.

So we've got investments, then you've got business email compromise and then romance.

So worldwide, we're still talking in that top five scams worldwide.

So we're talking billions of dollars lost.

But that's only what's recorded because I talk to a lot of victims, but they don't report it.

So realistically, we don't actually know the...

financial extent you know and also the emotional extent but the financial extent as to what's going on so we know that it's you know transnational organized crime we know that the money is being utilized towards the drug trade you know weapons whatever but we don't actually know the actual extent of monies being lost and certainly in australia we don't know

No.

That's the hard part is that if you do get scammed, you're very much, you're upset, you're embarrassed.

And it doesn't matter whether it's, and we spoke about shopping.

I love online shopping.

So

I've been scammed with that and I tell everybody about that, but I haven't reported that.