Landon Ferraro

If you're right, that's why you need someone who's been around and done a bunch of contracts and knows how to survive in this business.

I also think because that's naive for the Sedins, though, you're taking us the wrong way.

That's naive by them.

But for the Sedins... We don't care?

But they wouldn't be taking this on if they didn't want it to work and if they didn't believe that they could succeed.

Although he did give you a five to seven years on the podcast.

I'll be honest with you.

I think seven years to, like, be really, really good again, I think that's, like, conservative.

I think this is at least a seven-year project if you're seeing it with clear eyes.

That would be my argument.

I don't think that's luck.

They spent, they accumulated capital.

They made right decisions.

I know, but they also increased their surface area to get lucky.

You know, they like took values.

They accumulated an embarrassment of draft capital.

Like they've done things right.

And they spent more than anything.

They were given an enormous amount of resources to build out that front office.

Like there's,