Landon Ray

I mean, um, some 30% would probably make sense.

Right.

Uh, I honestly, I, I'm like really have not paid a lot of attention to the world of VC and Silicon Valley.

I've been, I'm kind of a more traditional guy.

Like, you know, that's good.

No, I'm drinking coffee.

Coffee.

Okay.

But, but I mean, you know, if you go to Silicon Valley, there's not a lot of businesses that have forced themselves to grow profitably.

For example, that just seems like when I talk to VCs, they're like, what are you doing?

Like, that's not how you win.

And I'm like, man, I don't know, like losing money every month doesn't feel like how you win to me.

Yeah.

Oh, our Facebook group for Entreport is probably the best way to do that.

It's called the Entreport user community and join up there or there's the Entrepages user community also.

And I'm pretty active on there.

That's how I stay in touch with our customers.

Oh, man, I hate to suck up to a freaking 30-year-old, but I have to throw out Obstacles the Way by Ryan Holiday.

I know he keynoted our conference this year that you were at, and that's because I specifically wanted him there.

And it's not really a business book.