Larry Cheng

And it's a very authentic community and he's right in the middle of it.

And he takes hate, he takes love, he takes everything in between.

And I think we're in a day and age where the face and the founder and the CEO of the business can't be hidden.

You've gotta be upfront and you've gotta engage and you've gotta be real.

And even as a public company CEO, it's like if you're going to rely on the quarterly earnings call as your communication with shareholders, that's from 50 years ago.

I mean, we've got to come into this age.

And so I actually think that is super important.

And to go back to your AI question, if you have two AI companies with like products, but you have one founder who's built the community in a social ecosystem around it, and the other who's

just coding in the back, you know, then you have two different, completely different companies.

And so, so I'm very much forward on, on that, on, on that dimension.

Yeah.

Um, I probably shouldn't knock founders who want to sit in a room and code because there've been some great founders who are in that bucket.

Mark Zuckerberg being one of them, um, who I've been in the past, but, um,

I might suggest this.

Just turn on the camera during your day a little bit and be who you are.

And maybe you're basically Twitch streaming as your code.

But people want to see the real thing.

And even if it's just a little bit every day, it actually says something.

It tells your shareholders, your customers, whoever, something about you.

you don't need to be Jensen Huang and, and, and, and go out and do Ted talks if that's not who you are.