Larry Sanger

I have to tell you, I don't know.

Right.

I mean, I haven't looked very much at Wikipedia on such topics.

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Well, there's two different aspects of using Wikipedia to research such things, right?

I mean, on the one hand, you can actually learn a fair bit of legitimate information online.

reasonably faithfully reported from mainstream sources about like the NXIVM cult, for example, or Jimmy Savile or whatever, Boys Town.

There's a disgusting one.

So yeah, you can learn about that stuff from Wikipedia.

I don't think they're telling the full story.

But then the false story isn't being told in the mainstream media, and those are the only sources that can be used.

On the other hand, any reasonable, you know, hard-nosed researcher has a hard time believing most of the sources that you can find on a lot of this stuff.

in my opinion.

Right, and the only people who seem to be talking about like the very worst of it about, you know, bloody sex rituals and sacrifice and that sort of thing, for the most part, they are like these desperate, broken people who have probably been on drugs and they're just bad witnesses, unfortunately.

Right.

Exactly.

Well, yeah, that actually is not the...

That's not the reasoning that I followed, although I can see why it would appeal to some people.

In other words, your last inference is very interesting, this idea that you can see shocking evidence that there are people who believe that ritualized evil is powerful.

And therefore, if you believe that they believe that,