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Larry Sanger

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Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

What can a platform do?

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Well, I mean, write neutral articles, essentially.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

I mean, if your question is how can it organize people to do it, that's another question.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Well, then we're getting into basically the first four theses.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

I can sort of go over those quickly.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Yeah, that would be a good idea to pull them up.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Right.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

So the first these are just the headlines, of course, but that's that's quite enough for me.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

The first is in decision making by consensus.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Here, the idea is that Wikipedians have this unfortunate practice of pretending that after a topic has been discussed enough, when they have arrived at a decision, that that should be dubbed the consensus view.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Right.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

when often it's not.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

One side is the loser, the other side is the winner.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

And if they're just taking the winning side, that doesn't make the winning side the consensus view.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

So all I'm saying there is that in the interest of neutrality,

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

stop calling this decision-making procedure consensus because that's not what it is.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Well, well,

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Oh, let's see.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

I know there's probably many examples, but I find examples are helpful to make it concrete.

Camp Gagnon
Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: Secret Editors, Banning Content, & Ignoring Rules

Essentially, whenever Wikipedia has a debate on any topic at all, it goes through a process of sort of discussion.