Laura Kuenssberg

or you've been following the story really carefully, or you're just kind of fascinated, the full conversation is there for you in your feeds.

So what we're going to do this afternoon with me and you, and also with Henry at home, is talk about, I suppose, the headlines and highlights and give you a bit of analysis.

Hello, it's Laura in the studio.

So, Joe, I'm feeling a bit knackered, frankly.

So give us a recap of how we got to this place.

It's just really, really weird, frankly, actually, the kind of things, whether it was loo roll or loo seats or watches worth a thousand pounds and more or the notorious motorhome, which I'm sure we might talk about in a minute.

I'm interested to know how you two thought she came across in the interview, because it's not always the same on the telly as it feels like in the room.

But one of the interesting things about this is the timing.

So she's wanted to have her say...

after his guilty plea you can understand why she didn't want to speak in any detail during the case and before it had come to a conclusion but he's not actually going to be sentenced until the next month so it's interesting to me that she's taken in a way almost the earliest opportunity

to get this out there now she didn't speak you know not immediately after he pled guilty she had a couple of appearances at book festivals where she really didn't want to say very much and sort of you know ran away from some of the cameras yeah but she has obviously wanted to get her version of events out there into the public domain and i think you know one of the things in all of this is not just that it's been terribly hurtful to find out what her husband was up to she also i think feels really something of a fury that her reputation

for some people, in some people's eyes, has been trashed by all of this.

But Henry, how did you think she came across?

I don't even think that begins to cover it.

It's interesting, though, because I couldn't believe having interviewed Nicola Sturgeon a million times over the years.

Maybe I'm exaggerating slightly.

It was, in the room, extraordinary to me to see her repeatedly welling up with tears and having to stop herself from...

And I do not say that in the way that drives me around the twist, which has for years, whereas if a female politician shows any emotion whatsoever, it's like, oh, she was crying.

It's something Theresa May used to talk about.

Lots of people used to complain about this.