Laura Kuenssberg

And, you know, men and women, guess what, are treated differently often by the press.

Put that aside.

It was extraordinary to me to see someone who in interviews has been so tough, sort of bulletproof, actually at times have to stop herself when her eyes were welling up.

And it happened on quite a few occasions.

And I don't see that to make a cheap point.

I think it just shows us actually how this is such a mishmash of a massive political scandal because that is what it is.

It's a huge political financial scandal, one of the biggest in recent times.

You know, this is not Boris Johnson's wallpaper we're talking about here.

It's 400 grand.

but mix that with what is also a very difficult human story for someone, frankly, who's really famous, you know, and it was fascinating to see her.

Should we just go through some of the headlines of what she actually said?

If people have not yet listened to our whole 55-minute conversation...

Shall I start?

Someone's given us a list, which is very, very helpful.

So she said she feels like she's serving a sentence for a crime that she didn't commit, having to do that in the full public glare.

She told me she feels she's been humiliated.

And there was a real kind of sense of what she feels is injustice, that she's taken so much hassle on this and had her reputation attacked, even though the criminal element of this was down to him.

No, and that is the difficult thing, is the private and the public.

So privately, in her private life, she was very clear.

She basically says, I was at work all the time.