Laura Kuenssberg

However, some people are taking a very different tack.

Jo?

And a senior Labour person in Scotland was, when we announced our interview at six o'clock, someone was messaging me late last night saying,

Trying to get me to tell them what was in the interview scurrilously, which I will say on the record that, of course, I completely refuse to divulge anything.

But their point was, I want to know what this means for what is next.

There's no political advantage beyond kind of causing reputational embarrassment and tying them up in knots in terms of opposition politicians trying to give Nicola Sturgeon a hard time.

There is huge advantage for them trying to cause trouble for John Swinney in terms of the government that he now runs and has only just got back into power.

And Joe, just because you know about this, you've literally written the book on this.

Just explain to people how tightly knit political parties are.

in Scotland.

I mean, they are everywhere in the UK, but the sort of Scottish SNP political family, just explain how tightly knit it really is.

No, it really isn't.

And just to be fair about this, it should also be said that you have cabinet ministers now and former Conservative cabinet ministers too, who will tell you stories about how they got drunk together when they were at their student political conferences and all of those things.

This is not just about Scottish politicians all knowing each other terribly well, but...

Scotland is a smaller country.

There is something particularly sort of tightly bound about all of this.

But Henry, you've taught me a fun fact about Pat McFadden and John Swinney.

Excellent trivia.

And we'll be sure to ask them all about it next time.

I wonder if any of either of them ever broke any dishes.