Laura Kuenssberg

And in our interview, her defense on this is they weren't raising claims about embezzling, which is what Peter was doing.

They were raising claims about something else.

Our point to her, journalistically, is look, there were people raising concerns about what was going on with the finances and they were not given the transparency that they were seeking.

And ought you not, as the leader of that party, have greeted the calls for transparency with transparency rather than trying to say,

go away, you're just trying to make trouble for the leadership.

So even internally in the SNP, this became a real proxy for disputes, unhappiness, because there are people in the SNP who didn't like Nicola Sturgeon's leadership very much either.

But John Swinney, the first minister, was also speaking this morning.

Let's hear what he had to say.

Okay.

Shall we tell you what some newscasters made of the interview?

Because I think the public reaction is going to be fascinating.

Newscasters have been WhatsApping.

Thank you very much indeed for getting in touch with us.

So, first message.

This is blatant victim-blaming against Nicola Sturgeon.

Her husband committed insider fraud.

He's the criminal.

And this is a societal problem.

Put my teeth back in.

That we blame the victims over the criminal.