Laura Marwick

How are we changing their minds?

What is it about that scheme that maybe is helping to bring people in and lift that participation?

Can we learn anything from that?

Could we apply those learnings?

Hmm.

So I think it's safe to say that both of you would like to see some action at the government level.

But even in an election year, things do tend to move quite slowly in the halls of parliament.

So what can individuals, employers, parents, what can people do right now to actually just start to build these habits or to make the most of what KiwiSaver currently has to offer for them?

Yeah.

Last question.

It's a big one.

A lot of what we've talked about today is fundamentally about how we can actually make changes to KiwiSaver to reduce inequity rather than actually inadvertently expanding it.

Do you think that that is something that KiwiSaver is really capable of doing or is that an intervention that needs to happen on a larger scale to tackle New Zealand's growing wealth gap?

So if people have been listening along and they'd like to know a little bit more about the Shezzy's KiwiSaver scheme for kids and that kid's contribution, Matt, what can they do?

of june 2027 25 cents in the dollar for any contribution made to that kids account for kids under 16 during that period we'll we'll match it up to a hundred dollars thanks very much matt and max for joining us today um and being so generous with your with your time and your thoughts pleasure and thanks to you for tuning in you can find shared lunch on youtube or wherever you listen to podcasts see you next time