Laura Perkes

And it was almost, and she wasn't almost, she wasn't,

being derogatory about her is, oh, my God, how is she earning all this money from a phone?

It was just like, wow, I didn't realise how much that kind of laptop lifestyle does exist and it does work for some people, but it's not going to work for everyone.

And you've got to figure out what works for you in terms of how you want to show up, the clients that you want to work with, where you want to work from.

And I guess that all comes into...

All happy and you're going to just constantly be kind of striving for the next thing because you don't know how you're meant to feel when you get to where you want to go.

Yeah, totally.

And it's interesting because I was an emcee at an event towards the end of last year.

You know, a lot of us, we go to events and there are some real like power players on stage and they're successful and they're multi six and seven figure business owners and they're talking about their journey, which is brilliant.

It's inspiring and it's empowering.

But also when you're sat there listening, it can make you feel slightly inferior.

And I remember saying towards the end of the event, I said, there are women in this room that you look up to, but there are also women in this room who are looking up to you.

Yeah, of course.

And it's an interesting that you've brought that up now because during that messy middle for me,

I was still showing up for the sake of showing up because I knew I had to still be seen by people.

I still had to be visible.

I wasn't selling anything because I didn't know what I was selling because I didn't know who I wanted to work with.

Equally, I can now share that as my story.

And that story is probably more relatable to people than me saying, oh, I've just secured a double page feature in Forbes for one of my clients.

Yeah.