Laura Smyth

And she was like, oh.

But I just think that, so basically she made me just go on the circuit for seven years and then get enough of a profile to get a podcast with Global.

And then she was like, I want to do it with my mate Carmen.

So it was a little bit like, yeah, you go out in the trenches, Lord.

You do it.

You do the hard work.

Always the rewards.

Oh, that's what I was going for.

But you're in the industry.

She's a producer.

Yes, yeah.

That's not from your mum.

Tell them.

Yeah, so I'm behind the camera.

You're behind the camera, but you're creative.

So our podcast called Shouldn't Laugh But with Laura and Carmen, we wanted to call it Laura and Carmen's Stupid Podcast because sort of referencing the fact that everyone's got a podcast, you have to have a podcast.

If you've not got a podcast, they take you outside and shoot you now and that's what happens.

But...

I do think, I'm going to blame Stephen Bartlett not to throw shade, but we're very saturated with what happened to you?

Oh, this happened to me.