Laurence Hulse

That's on me.

That's on us.

And as a result, we've just stepped back, looked at the situation and taken action.

However, there are very important changes that need to be made for the conservation system.

There are some things that are completely broken.

We need to fix it and sort it for the future.

You talk to anyone who operates in the space, whether or not it's conservationists themselves, tourism operators, the Department of Conservation.

We know that there's a whole range of issues like people waiting 10 years to get a guidance concession on the Whanganui River.

That's not good enough, Mike.

disposal provisions that exist, just sprucing them up and creating greater, stronger safeguards, that would be a good win for conservation and actually a good win for Kiwis.

And you were tasting them and then you came out with several very large.

Yeah.

You had a good night that night.

Yes, that's so true.

Yeah, not your prime.

Not your prime.

The beginning's lame.

I was dancing to that.

Well, that actually wasn't the beginning.

It was quite a long way into the song.