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And it's important for me to see those two projects, liberalism and socialism, as continuous with each other.

And to also think in what way does our economic system actually undermine this concern for freedom that is at the heart of the liberal tradition.

One way of reading the socialist critique of capitalism is as an economic system there restricts freedom for a number of people and that in fact entrenches certain hierarchies of economic and political power that make it really difficult for some people to have freedom and that give too much freedom to other people.

Men da du og jeg vokste opp under den kolde kriget, var ideologisk forståelse annerledes.

På den ene siden hadde vi USA, kapitalisme, frihet og også liberalisme i forhånd til lykke, men overalt frihet.

Og på den andre siden hadde du Sovjetunionen og kommunistene.

Og denne siden av konflikten var alt om kollektivisme.

Så mindsetet vi vokste opp med var å fortelle oss at frihet og uavhengighet er oppositer.

Ja.

Og sosialdemokrati, ser ut fra Skandinavien, skulle være den perfekte miks.

Ja.

Noe av dette og noe av det, og så den perfekte balansen.

Ja, så jeg tror...

Først og fremst tror jeg at den sosialdemokratiske tradisjonen er faktisk et resultat, genealogisk, av den sosialistiske kritikken av kapitalismen.

And so it's an ideological operation and a sort of ideological misleading that attributes the success of social democracy to liberalism and to capitalism.

Because I think historically social democracy emerges from the socialist critique of capitalism, and it's an effort to place limits on capitalism.

And to the extent that it's a success story, it's a success story because it has contained capitalism, not because it has enabled it to flourish.

And I think likewise this assimilation of

of equality to collectivism and this distinction of the free world the capitalist world is the world that cares about freedom and the Soviet socialist state socialist world is the world that cares about equality is also one way of obscuring how actually

Freedom is also at the heart of the socialist tradition.