Leah Litman

Yeah, it's a very important victory.

I am so exhausted by this conversation because I don't even know what we're supposed to judge Biden by here. Like, was he better than debate? Yes, he was better than he was on the debate stage. Compared to a typical – an average politician anywhere in America delivering a message, was he good? No. It was like – there were some good parts. He had some funny lines.

I am so exhausted by this conversation because I don't even know what we're supposed to judge Biden by here. Like, was he better than debate? Yes, he was better than he was on the debate stage. Compared to a typical – an average politician anywhere in America delivering a message, was he good? No. It was like – there were some good parts. He had some funny lines.

Most of it was like kind of hard to follow politically. Dr. Biden had to step in on a couple of occasions. He survived it, I guess. But to what end? Who are we trying to convince here? What's the audience for this? The American people are pretty decided on the question of, was Joe Biden too old? And they were decided long before the debate.

Most of it was like kind of hard to follow politically. Dr. Biden had to step in on a couple of occasions. He survived it, I guess. But to what end? Who are we trying to convince here? What's the audience for this? The American people are pretty decided on the question of, was Joe Biden too old? And they were decided long before the debate.

And I don't know that one interview or two interviews or a thousand interviews is going to change. Nothing's going to change that perspective.

And I don't know that one interview or two interviews or a thousand interviews is going to change. Nothing's going to change that perspective.

Yeah, you need an answer to the question. Like we, I don't think we, we didn't talk about it on this podcast. We talked about it on Terminally Online, but Elizabeth Warren had a brutal answer when she was pushed on this on a podcast. Yeah. And that's the first of many, right?

Yeah, you need an answer to the question. Like we, I don't think we, we didn't talk about it on this podcast. We talked about it on Terminally Online, but Elizabeth Warren had a brutal answer when she was pushed on this on a podcast. Yeah. And that's the first of many, right?

And you can see some of these people when they start running for president in a couple of years, particularly those people, maybe like Pete Buttigieg, who I'm sure will have a good answer to it, but who served in the Biden administration or if Kamala Harris were to run again, she's going to have to answer these questions. She'll probably have to answer them when she does her first interview

And you can see some of these people when they start running for president in a couple of years, particularly those people, maybe like Pete Buttigieg, who I'm sure will have a good answer to it, but who served in the Biden administration or if Kamala Harris were to run again, she's going to have to answer these questions. She'll probably have to answer them when she does her first interview

which he still has not done since the election ended. To me, on one hand, I am sympathetic to Biden's desire to defend his legacy in the face of these books coming out. I'm sympathetic to the people who work for Biden trying to defend a president that they have great affection and loyalty to and the work they did. I've thought about this. If Barack Obama had lost

which he still has not done since the election ended. To me, on one hand, I am sympathetic to Biden's desire to defend his legacy in the face of these books coming out. I'm sympathetic to the people who work for Biden trying to defend a president that they have great affection and loyalty to and the work they did. I've thought about this. If Barack Obama had lost

to Mitt Romney in 2012, I would have been an absolute fucking lunatic trying to do everything I could to reshape, it's not his fault, his legacy, look at all the great things we did. So I understand that impulse. But there is an element here of reading the room. And there is so much bad shit happening in the country. The threats are so dire.

to Mitt Romney in 2012, I would have been an absolute fucking lunatic trying to do everything I could to reshape, it's not his fault, his legacy, look at all the great things we did. So I understand that impulse. But there is an element here of reading the room. And there is so much bad shit happening in the country. The threats are so dire.

And the threats are so dire to the things that Joe Biden dearly and sincerely cares about, that this media tour is about Joe Biden. It's not about Donald Trump. It's about Joe Biden defending himself and his legacy.

And the threats are so dire to the things that Joe Biden dearly and sincerely cares about, that this media tour is about Joe Biden. It's not about Donald Trump. It's about Joe Biden defending himself and his legacy.

It's not about, which I wouldn't recommend this, but it's not about using the platform a former president may have to criticize a sitting president, to try to shift the public debate in some way or the other. It's about, he's made it about himself.

It's not about, which I wouldn't recommend this, but it's not about using the platform a former president may have to criticize a sitting president, to try to shift the public debate in some way or the other. It's about, he's made it about himself.

And that, I think, was someone that is... Yeah, which he made the last fucking year of his presidency about, which is one of the reasons we're all here. And so that, to me, is frustrating. You know, there's been this, like, is it really bad that Biden's back out there again politically? I don't think anyone cares, is the truth. Just no one is... No one's paying attention...