Lee Cronin

And there are so many layers on this, but I think you have to become an intuitionist mathematician, and you have to abandon platonic mathematics, and also platonic mathematics has left physics astray, but there's a lot to unpack there. So we can go to the... Platonic mathematics, okay.

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Well, I mean, they said lots of confusing statements. Basically, I realized the evolutionary biology community that were vocal, and some of them were really rude, really spiteful, and needlessly so, right? Because, look, you know, I didn't... People misunderstand publication as well. Some of the people have said, how dare this be published in Nature? This is, you know, what a terrible journal.

Well, I mean, they said lots of confusing statements. Basically, I realized the evolutionary biology community that were vocal, and some of them were really rude, really spiteful, and needlessly so, right? Because, look, you know, I didn't... People misunderstand publication as well. Some of the people have said, how dare this be published in Nature? This is, you know, what a terrible journal.

Well, I mean, they said lots of confusing statements. Basically, I realized the evolutionary biology community that were vocal, and some of them were really rude, really spiteful, and needlessly so, right? Because, look, you know, I didn't... People misunderstand publication as well. Some of the people have said, how dare this be published in Nature? This is, you know, what a terrible journal.

And it really, and I want to say to people, look, this is a brand new idea that's, not only potentially going to change the way we look at biology, it's going to change the way we look at the universe. And everyone's saying, how dare you? How dare you be so grandiose? I'm like, no, no, no, this is not hype.

And it really, and I want to say to people, look, this is a brand new idea that's, not only potentially going to change the way we look at biology, it's going to change the way we look at the universe. And everyone's saying, how dare you? How dare you be so grandiose? I'm like, no, no, no, this is not hype.

And it really, and I want to say to people, look, this is a brand new idea that's, not only potentially going to change the way we look at biology, it's going to change the way we look at the universe. And everyone's saying, how dare you? How dare you be so grandiose? I'm like, no, no, no, this is not hype.

We're not saying we've invented some, I don't know, we've discovered an alien in a closet somewhere just for hype. We genuinely mean this to genuinely have the impact or ask the question. And the way people jumped on that was a really bad precedent for young people who want to actually do something new because this makes a bold claim. And the chances are... It's not correct.

We're not saying we've invented some, I don't know, we've discovered an alien in a closet somewhere just for hype. We genuinely mean this to genuinely have the impact or ask the question. And the way people jumped on that was a really bad precedent for young people who want to actually do something new because this makes a bold claim. And the chances are... It's not correct.

We're not saying we've invented some, I don't know, we've discovered an alien in a closet somewhere just for hype. We genuinely mean this to genuinely have the impact or ask the question. And the way people jumped on that was a really bad precedent for young people who want to actually do something new because this makes a bold claim. And the chances are... It's not correct.

But what I wanted to do is a couple of things. I wanted to make a bold claim that was precise and testable and correctable. Not another woolly information in biology argument, information Turing machine, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. A concrete series of statements that can be falsified and explored and either the theory could be destroyed or built upon.

But what I wanted to do is a couple of things. I wanted to make a bold claim that was precise and testable and correctable. Not another woolly information in biology argument, information Turing machine, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. A concrete series of statements that can be falsified and explored and either the theory could be destroyed or built upon.

But what I wanted to do is a couple of things. I wanted to make a bold claim that was precise and testable and correctable. Not another woolly information in biology argument, information Turing machine, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. A concrete series of statements that can be falsified and explored and either the theory could be destroyed or built upon.

Yeah, that's really good. So... The assembly index of a molecule is not obvious. No one had measured it before. And no one has thought to quantify selection complexity and copy number before in such a primitive quantifiable way. I think the nice thing about this paper, this paper is is a tribute to all the people that understand that biology does something very interesting.

Yeah, that's really good. So... The assembly index of a molecule is not obvious. No one had measured it before. And no one has thought to quantify selection complexity and copy number before in such a primitive quantifiable way. I think the nice thing about this paper, this paper is is a tribute to all the people that understand that biology does something very interesting.

Yeah, that's really good. So... The assembly index of a molecule is not obvious. No one had measured it before. And no one has thought to quantify selection complexity and copy number before in such a primitive quantifiable way. I think the nice thing about this paper, this paper is is a tribute to all the people that understand that biology does something very interesting.

Some people call it negentropy. Some people think about organizational principles. Lots of people were not shocked by the paper because they'd done it before. A lot of the arguments we got, some people said, oh, it's rubbish. Oh, by the way, I had this idea 20 years before. I was like... Which one? Is it the rubbish part or the really revolutionary part?