Lee Gelernt

Thank you, Rachel.

Thank you, Rachel.

Thanks, Rachel.

Thanks, Rachel.

Yeah, a few things. I mean, so first of all, your introduction, I think, hit it right where this is serious business and we're in a very serious place. And I think you're right about the way the judge wrote it. I think he's writing for more than just the lawyers, more than just law professors. He's trying to talk to the American public about what it would mean if court orders are violated.

Yeah, a few things. I mean, so first of all, your introduction, I think, hit it right where this is serious business and we're in a very serious place. And I think you're right about the way the judge wrote it. I think he's writing for more than just the lawyers, more than just law professors. He's trying to talk to the American public about what it would mean if court orders are violated.

And I think the other thing he said, which is really important is because I've been sitting there in court, obviously, for all these hearings is he has given the government time and time again, the opportunity to explain themselves. And they've simply refused. The most important thing from our standpoint is.

And I think the other thing he said, which is really important is because I've been sitting there in court, obviously, for all these hearings is he has given the government time and time again, the opportunity to explain themselves. And they've simply refused. The most important thing from our standpoint is.

I'm gonna let other people get into whether we're at a constitutional crisis now or approaching it and what it means for the rule of law in a larger sense. The most important thing for me today was that the court said, look, they can still get out from under this if they do the right thing and bring these men back. And obviously everyone's focused

I'm gonna let other people get into whether we're at a constitutional crisis now or approaching it and what it means for the rule of law in a larger sense. The most important thing for me today was that the court said, look, they can still get out from under this if they do the right thing and bring these men back. And obviously everyone's focused

on Kilmer right now, and that's critically important that he be brought back. But in our case, there were hundreds of Venezuelan men who were wrongfully sent to this prison and are there now. And I think Judge Boasberg saying, look, as bad as this was, I don't need to go through with all this if you just do the right thing and bring these men back.

on Kilmer right now, and that's critically important that he be brought back. But in our case, there were hundreds of Venezuelan men who were wrongfully sent to this prison and are there now. And I think Judge Boasberg saying, look, as bad as this was, I don't need to go through with all this if you just do the right thing and bring these men back.

Unfortunately, the government has already appealed his order. His order came out this afternoon. They've already appealed it rather than saying, OK, we'll do the right thing and bring these men back.

Unfortunately, the government has already appealed his order. His order came out this afternoon. They've already appealed it rather than saying, OK, we'll do the right thing and bring these men back.

Yeah, I'm glad you said that, Rachel. That's absolutely right. The judge has gone out of his way to make clear that he is not ordering these men to be released on U.S. streets. If they've committed crimes, they could be prosecuted. They can be detained under immigration laws and they can be removed under immigration laws.

Yeah, I'm glad you said that, Rachel. That's absolutely right. The judge has gone out of his way to make clear that he is not ordering these men to be released on U.S. streets. If they've committed crimes, they could be prosecuted. They can be detained under immigration laws and they can be removed under immigration laws.

But they can't be sent to a foreign prison potentially for the rest of their lives without due process. What he is saying is bring them back to the U.S., give them due process, and if ultimately they're deported under the immigration laws, then they're deported under the immigration laws.

But they can't be sent to a foreign prison potentially for the rest of their lives without due process. What he is saying is bring them back to the U.S., give them due process, and if ultimately they're deported under the immigration laws, then they're deported under the immigration laws.

But he is not by any means saying they should be free to be out of detention until they have due process that can prove that they're not gang members. That's exactly right. I mean, there's a false choice going on here, where it's we either send them to this brutal Salvadoran prison for the rest of their lives, or we let them out on US streets. That's not what's going on.

But he is not by any means saying they should be free to be out of detention until they have due process that can prove that they're not gang members. That's exactly right. I mean, there's a false choice going on here, where it's we either send them to this brutal Salvadoran prison for the rest of their lives, or we let them out on US streets. That's not what's going on.