Lee Gelernt
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He's simply saying you cannot use a wartime authority without any due process. And he's been 100% clear about it. The government knows that. And what he has said to the government point blank in court is, look, If anybody in the administration is going out there saying, I'm letting these people out on the street, they need to stop doing it.
He's simply saying you cannot use a wartime authority without any due process. And he's been 100% clear about it. The government knows that. And what he has said to the government point blank in court is, look, If anybody in the administration is going out there saying, I'm letting these people out on the street, they need to stop doing it.
He's, I think, really upset that people are mischaracterizing what he's doing.
He's, I think, really upset that people are mischaracterizing what he's doing.
You know, if the government is going to put people on the stand, it will be surprising to me, at least. I think the only thing that's predictable now about the Trump administration is they're going to take this all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court again. And how the court rules, I don't know.
You know, if the government is going to put people on the stand, it will be surprising to me, at least. I think the only thing that's predictable now about the Trump administration is they're going to take this all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court again. And how the court rules, I don't know.
But I don't see the government saying, sure, we'll bring the people back, we'll do the right thing, or sure, we'll take the stand and tell you the truth. I wish one of those two things would happen. But right now, based on what I've seen the last few months, I don't see the Trump administration doing it.
But I don't see the government saying, sure, we'll bring the people back, we'll do the right thing, or sure, we'll take the stand and tell you the truth. I wish one of those two things would happen. But right now, based on what I've seen the last few months, I don't see the Trump administration doing it.
So I would say in answer to your question, the only thing that's predictable is they will keep fighting. They've already appealed to the circuit, and I suspect they'll go to the Supreme Court. That's unfortunate. Yeah.
So I would say in answer to your question, the only thing that's predictable is they will keep fighting. They've already appealed to the circuit, and I suspect they'll go to the Supreme Court. That's unfortunate. Yeah.
Thanks, Rachel.
Thanks, Rachel.
Yeah. So I think he was frustrated and he's been frustrated now for several weeks about the government's actions. So there's two sort of parallel things going on in this case. One is, can the administration use this wartime authority during peacetime and remove people potentially for the rest of their lives to this brutal Salvadoran prison?
Yeah. So I think he was frustrated and he's been frustrated now for several weeks about the government's actions. So there's two sort of parallel things going on in this case. One is, can the administration use this wartime authority during peacetime and remove people potentially for the rest of their lives to this brutal Salvadoran prison?
without any due process whatsoever we say no so far the courts have said no we'll see that case is pending in the spring court now we'll see what the spring court says but at the same time the judge is also trying to figure out was his order violated we had an emergency saturday night hearing the administration started moving people under this authority before they even published the law
without any due process whatsoever we say no so far the courts have said no we'll see that case is pending in the spring court now we'll see what the spring court says but at the same time the judge is also trying to figure out was his order violated we had an emergency saturday night hearing the administration started moving people under this authority before they even published the law
he said turn the planes around till we can figure things out or if they land in el salvador bring the people back the administration did not bring the people back and in a highly publicized video you saw those men being turned over to salvador in prison so the judge is very very concerned that the administration just sort of blatantly violated his order not to turn the planes around and what is he when he said is if you thought my water was wrong appeal it you did appeal it
he said turn the planes around till we can figure things out or if they land in el salvador bring the people back the administration did not bring the people back and in a highly publicized video you saw those men being turned over to salvador in prison so the judge is very very concerned that the administration just sort of blatantly violated his order not to turn the planes around and what is he when he said is if you thought my water was wrong appeal it you did appeal it
But don't just ignore a federal court's order. He's trying to get to the bottom of what happened, who did it, who ordered them not to turn the planes around, and was it done deliberately.
But don't just ignore a federal court's order. He's trying to get to the bottom of what happened, who did it, who ordered them not to turn the planes around, and was it done deliberately.