Lee Hammock

Why?

What is the stigma around, you know?

I was just like... Were you scared of what...

Other people, like your family members and things would say?

But were they also apprehensive for you to go to therapy in general?

What's interesting to me about that, though, is that in the same breath, people will say, check on our men, encourage them to take care of their mental health.

And then in the literal same breath, they're like, oh, you're weak if you go to therapy.

So it's like it shouldn't be that.

It's either we're going to help our men and take care of men in general, not our men, but just men in general.

Yeah.

you can't then shame them for going to therapy either.

Why do you think some narcissists turn to God or pretend to turn to God?

Have you heard or seen that?

I'm not a religious person and I am not a narcissism expert by any means.

But at the point that you're using Bible verses to defend your behavior or say, I'm getting better, that's my past, and then you proceed to read a Bible verse, I want to throw my phone.

How do you fall?

How do other people not see what we see?

So because they turn to God, now we should forgive them because they're doing the work.

He did it so well.

The way he said it was so believable.