Leigh Ann Caldwell

Because you have to, as you well know, there's this production element that you have to be that the network needs.

And so, you know, in my job as a reporter.

Yeah, no, I mean, that's an absolutely great point.

And also it's like, you know, from a reporter standpoint, it was a lot of making sure you had what someone else had.

And so there was very little ability to do original thought because it was always making sure that everyone, every network or every outlet was in the same place.

um, basically with, with the content.

Um, and.

Like, and you're like, can you confirm that?

Yeah.

That's exactly what I tell people, you know, when they ask a different version of the question you asked me, I say,

No one at Puck has ever said, can you confirm this?

Like not once.

It's been it's amazing.

I have zero time confirming other people's reporting.

No, oh my God, Chuck.

Right, the day after Trump got elected first term.

So what's that?

Well, let me just say I'm going to expand that a little bit.

A lot of people do blame the Gingrich years for like going off the cliff.

So I guess you were there at the beginning of what people now maybe it's revision.