Leigh Ann Caldwell

Yeah, totally.

So the past nine years during Trump, I guess, you know, Trump and then Biden and then Trump again.

Now, it's just, you know, first four years of Trump.

The story was what everyone how every Republican secretly hates Trump.

Like the story would always be, can you react now?

to whatever Trump tweeted.

It was Twitter back then, or whatever he said.

And people would start to say, oh, I didn't see it, try to dodge.

But there was so little respect for the man.

And that was always the story.

Now, in this Trump era, I almost feel like what people say about Trump behind the scenes

doesn't even matter because they are doing whatever he wants publicly, handing away so much of their congressional authority to Trump, even if they don't like it and they complain about it, they're doing it.

And that's what matters.

The first Trump term, of course, we went through

an impeachment, all the investigations, January 6th, which I was there for.

And that, you know, all of that has changed Congress so much.

The lack of trust between the parties, people just really don't like each other.

Yeah, it's very personal.

And it's not just at a member level, too.

The staffs don't really like each other.