Leigh Campbell

I think that that really pulls together your winter wardrobe for smart casual if you don't want to go into sneakers.

But I like just calling it an enclosed flat because sometimes if I say a loafer, people are like, well, I can't do that.

And I'm like, well, do a ballet flat, you know.

Enclosed flat is a nice general term for that shoe that's not a sneaker.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a good category.

I mean, it's still a very broad category.

It is, isn't it?

Can you do an e-book or something?

So loafers are everywhere.

Everyone's obsessed.

So the number one question, how do we style our loafers for winter?

Not just the plain, like, I guess, normal leather that could look a bit like a school shoe.

I'm so glad you said that because I wear a lot of maxi skirts and loafers, but I don't do a sock.

And then I just thought, oh my God, when she said that, but I mean, do what you want.

Like with the backless sort of.

I mean, the silhouette might, yeah, exactly.

Kind of looks a little bit less harsh if it's not the full shoe.

Yeah.