Leigh Sales

I mean, it's, you know, Jodie Foster is a very young girl and it's confronting.

There's a lot of violence.

Anyway, but what they're talking about, which made me interested, is

that people have sort of misunderstood that film over the years.

as if Travis Bickle, who's the name of the character that De Niro plays, is this sort of anti sort of heroic figure when essentially this is the point that one of the presenters on the podcast was making.

It's kind of like the OG Manosphere film.

It's about this guy who's got no avenues yet.

left to be masculine um and goes sort of crazy with loneliness over a period of time and they were talking in the same breath about um the louis uh through um oh yeah that recently went well did you see any of that no but i've just seen the chitter chatter that it's got a bit of heat for some reason but i haven't been interested enough to really read beyond that

Look, I'm a big admirer of Louis Theroux.

He does lots of good things.

I think maybe I was thinking about why I didn't super love it and I think I worked out a bit why.

The idea of going and hanging out with a very specific group of people, a controversial group of people, whether they're conspiracy theorists or terrorists or whatever.

Yeah.

Sorry?

He's done pedophiles as well.

Right, yeah.

So, I mean, his trademark is that he finds a group of people that are, you know, despised by large amounts of society and goes and has a chat to them.

And I think one of the issues here is that the Manosphere guys that he's talking to, they're all sort of Andrew Tate-style influencers.

I didn't, of course, know of that many of them.

They're so chronically online that you're dealing with – I mean, viewers are already aware of them and can see, if they make an effort, most of the material that they produce online.