Leigh Sales

I mean, I read a lot of content about, you know, American politics at the minute and it was like just a different level.

And you can just tell when reporters of that ability and calibre have been given enough time to fill in those details and interrogate and ask the questions and get six different versions of an event and work out what is the...

Yeah.

And I think it's so interesting to see the way, even though, because I don't think Trump has given another, like, big interview to Jonathan since that one where he became a meme reporter.

with his responses to what Trump was saying.

And, in fact, I interviewed Jonathan in Washington for the Civic Duty series that we did last year and it was during the period where Trump was sort of like reshaping the White House press pool and creating new spaces for influencers and social media people and so on.

And I was asking Jonathan about that, you know, how he felt about it, and he said something really interesting.

He just said, well, look, I'm not...

Super fussed about it because it's, you know, Trump is kind of the president that you get to see and does doorstops and whatever more than any other president I've ever encountered.

So it's not like you're ever really short of access to the guy.

Anyway, it was, yeah, but I can't wait to read that book and I've pre-ordered it and I reckon I think there's a little bit of a nationalistic, I wanted that book to do well because that guy is an Aussie legend.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, since you've decided to, you know, I have no idea who the Aussie person is.

Two things.

I just, I really enjoyed your assembly with Jimmy Barnes.

Oh, thank you.

And I think I've, I can't remember if I've said it on the pod, but like great series, this series, honestly.

Catch up with all of it on iTunes.

people can catch up with all of it on iview oh yes absolutely anyway i thought i mean just harking back to our original discussion about the manosphere there's just this great moment where he talks about um getting he says oh you know um wasn't easy to kind of you know get sober and and um stop being a screw-up which he sort of