Lenny Rachitsky

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So you talk to, I don't know, hundreds of product leaders regularly run these communities for CPOs and senior product leaders.

I guess on balance, are people doing, would you say, better than the last than like two, three years ago?

Or is it just like, oh, man, everyone's like burning out and in big trouble?

We're going to talk about of the people that are doing best, what are they doing differently?

But before we get there, let's think about the future of where things are heading.

You talked about a bunch of the things that have already changed and how different the world of product management is.

What do you think will change further in the next couple of years to give people a sense of where things are heading?

Just to make sure we understand, when you say judgment, what should people be thinking of when you talk about judgment?

Along those lines, just real quick, a quick aside to your side.

The prompt I constantly find myself using with Codex and Clot is just, how can we make the product experience better?

How can we make this better?

And you just ask that, and it's like, here's 10 ways we can make it better.

And so he's like, wow, these are really good ideas.

And then, cool, do it.

Do the first seven.

Yeah, just like it's easy to just to kind of finish that loop real quick.

Like so many of these apps are built by engineers that are not the best engineers.

They're engineers that, you know, like companies hired that don't really care about their software.