Lenny Rachitsky

They're just like this is just like a side thing building this platform.

thing that we have just app.

We just need to build an app.

Let's find someone to build it.

They're not like product first companies.

And now all of these companies have access to the most skilled software engineer, cloud code, a codex and all these other jewels.

So I totally see what you're saying.

Like everyone has the best engineers available now.

And it's just English to ask them to build the better thing or build a better app.

So that's a really interesting point.

That's scary to hear.

We're going to talk about what folks listening can do to do their best to be in that second bucket of being rehired and kept, because there's a lot you can do.

And there's a lot of people that know they need to change and adjust and they're not doing anything.

And we want to talk about maybe some of the blockers there.

One thing I'll note is I should have mentioned this earlier.

I just did this report on job, the job market.

And interestingly, as of today, at least, we have the most open PM roles globally at tech companies in three plus years.

The last time it was this high was kind of during COVID, basically.

So there's some good news there, at least for the PM role.

I don't know.