Lenny Rachitsky

What's your perspective on that?

So you're pro talking to users because I feel like you've been really good at just like, here's what it'll be and here's how it should be.

And even though people may not understand this is what it should be, I trust me, it'll work really well.

What's that balance of just like, here's what I'll pay attention to.

Here's what I won't.

That is such a great story.

I love hearing these stories of features that everyone's using now and how they came to be.

Was there like a moment of just like this is the way this is the story concept that you remember?

Or was it kind of this very gradual evolution?

Is there another story of something that you all built that just like was interesting and of how it came to be?

These stories are so interesting and people don't know these histories.

That is really cool.

I can't imagine Snapchat existing without you figuring that out.

That feels like such a core mechanic.

Something that is also really, I'd say, famous in the PM community about Snap is you guys waited a long time to hire product managers.

I've done all these research reports on just like how long it took the top companies to hire their PMs.

And the number I saw is you had 200 employees before you hired your first PM.

I'm curious if you think that was a mistake waiting that long.

And just your current thoughts on product managers, just like how they fit into Snap.

A lot of people listening to this are PMs, and so I'm just curious how you feel.