Leon Nafok

And when, you know, when you ask him about, does he feel conflicted about, you know, these customers feeling taken advantage of feeling like their emotion, their emotions are being manipulated.

He just says, no,

Well, yeah, but I mean, they had to have known this was never a real relationship.

But how do you think about that, Gracie, as a creator?

Because these are very lonely people who you're talking to every day and you have to you have to balance their real feelings with also this is how you might pay rent.

Yeah, well, first of all, I want to say I am a huge advocate for subscribers.

I love my boys.

And I will say, yes, there is a stigma.

And yes, it's correct that a lot of them are lonely, don't have social skills, or definitely are those people.

But a lot of my subscribers, they're like...

pretty happily married or just like on it to support me or on it for fun or whatever.

So, um, but I will say, you know, the, the agency, the, the manager of the agency we spoke to, um, he works at a boutique agency.

He has, you know, all American really trained chatters.

And I didn't judge him for, um, for doing that.

I know, I know.

Because he said, you know, this is a business.

We do have to pay ourselves.

We have to pay the creators.

But can we do that while making these people still feel cared for?

He goes, I have a lot of people working for me who chat, who...