Les Velez

I can say, all right, there's something here that's difficult to explain.

But the experiencer stuff is simultaneously the most interesting, but also the most challenging.

So I guess I'm curious, are there other specific stories perhaps in the book that you feel like would be helpful for someone like me to read?

Right.

I mean, from that to Dave Grush, to David Fravor.

Right.

I mean, all these people coming forward even before Congress and in private skiffs talking about their experiences.

For someone like you, having been in this industry for 30 plus years, it must be shocking to see everything that's happened in the last five years.

Or supposedly.

Could you help me build a framework for how to understand this kind of stuff?

So I'm curious, did you grow up religious?

Organization to the universe?

There has to be some type of catalyst, some type of unmoved mover that put things into motion.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

There's some type of necessary first mover and everything else is contingent from that.

Right.

Yeah, that makes sense.

So I'm curious, do angels and demons exist within your framework?

So it says here, they are theoretical invisible lines thought to connect significant landmarks across the world and are sometimes believed to hold sacred powers.

Yeah.