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Chapter 1: What experiences led Les Velez to investigate UFOs?
In order for us to be where we are now, the planet would have to be 9 billion years old. Unless somebody, somewhere, manipulated what was going on with us, pushed us along. That seems to be more logical than anything. Our evolution has been sped up.
Off to my right is this object that's silent, oval in shape, kind of self-illuminated, no sound out of this thing, and it's just kind of slowly meandering over the tree line. It scared the hell out of me. They seem to be able to manipulate time and space. They can take you and bring you back before they take you.
Are we alone in the universe? Les Velez. Yes, sir. Thank you so much for joining me, brother. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Of all the folks that I've had in here to discuss the phenomena, UFOs, aliens, whatever you want to call it, you have a very interesting background in order to talk on this.
So just from my notes here, before you ever investigated a single sighting, you were a field artillery officer in the United States Army.
Chapter 2: How does Les Velez describe his first UFO sighting?
Right.
And then after that, you kind of go the corporate route and you climbed the ranks to become the vice president at Luscombe Engineering. Right. So not only do you have a military background, you also have an engineering background. And while all of this is happening, you get an interest and an intrigue in this phenomena that people will call UFOs.
Different people in the community will call it different things, UAPs, et cetera. And for three decades, you have been an investigator and a founder of different organizations that effectively look into what is actually happening and answering the biggest question of all, which is, are we alone in the universe?
Correct.
I think your position is pretty clear that we are not.
That's true. That's true. And really, you have to... Take a look at what happened to me personally that got me involved in all of this. When I was 11 years old, I was living in Connecticut at the time. And it was late October, and it was already getting to be dark. And I'm coming in the house after feeding my dog, and off to my right is this object that's silent.
It's oval in shape, kind of self-illuminated. like I say, no sound out of this thing. And it's just kind of slowly meandering over the tree line. And it scared the hell out of me. It wasn't a balloon. It was a solid object. And- Something like that? Yeah, exactly. But it was illuminated. It was very bright. It was very bright. And so I ran in the house, and I tried to get my dad to come out.
And by the time I convinced him to come out, he looked around, and it was gone, of course. He said, oh, it's probably just a beacon of light reflecting off a cloud or something, you know, because back in those days, they used a lot of these big searchlights, you know, for events of some sort. Yeah. Anyway, I didn't buy it.
And I went to the library soon thereafter and started to pick up books on UFOs. And back in those days, this is like the late 50s, George Adamski was the big hero or celebrity talking about his connection with the Venusians and things of that nature. So anyway, I really got into it for a while. And then after a while, it kind of faded and girls became a little bit more interesting.
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Chapter 3: What role does MUFON play in UFO investigations?
And then I went off to college, went into the ROTC program. And when I graduated, I had two years active and four years reserve training there. That I needed to accomplish. And so I did that. And when I got out of that situation, I went to work for a company by the name of Procter & Gamble and worked with them for a little while.
And then eventually I went to work for a company called Magitek to work. that made analog and digital panel meters. And I was with them for 13 years. In 1985, I had the opportunity to buy into a company, a manufacturer's rep company by the name of Luscombe Engineering. And so I took my two girls who hated me when I moved them from Connecticut to California, Left all their friends behind.
They were eight and ten at the time. And so we we had a little rough time for a couple of months getting them acclimated out there. And one day I picked up the San Jose Mercury News and there was an article in there about a nuclear physicist by the name of Stan Freeman that was going to come to San Jose City College to talk about UFOs in a government cover up.
Oh, well, I tell you, it's like somebody threw a switch. And I said, oh, my God, I got to go see this guy. And I went there expecting to see a handful of people. The auditorium was packed. It must have been 300 people there. He gave one of his inimitable presentations. And on the way out, there was a table set up by MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network.
This is an organization that was started in Sagin, Texas, in 1969. to investigate UFOs from a scientific point of view. So I said, okay, they have a monthly journal that they publish. So I figured I'm gonna start getting the journal. They talk about UFO cases in there and everything. So I wanted to dig in a little bit further. Well, after a while, it wasn't enough. I said, oh, I got to do more.
Well, I found out that they have a field investigator training course. And the course was good. I passed it, you know. But I was anxious to get out in the field and start talking to people. And so they had a more senior investigator that they put me with to go through the, you know, the training process.
And the first case that I got involved with was this woman that said that she saw this object. But then she said during the conversation with her that she felt that she actually was taken by them and brought on board the craft. And I'm going... At that point, I was more of a nuts and bolts kind of a guy.
I wanted to know how these things operated, you know, who was operating them and things of that nature. But when she said that she was taken by them, I was skeptical.
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Chapter 4: How do personal experiences shape beliefs about UFOs?
Right. Now, just really quick for context, how old are you at this point?
Oh, at that point, this is in early 90s. Okay. Early 90s.
And how many experiences have you had of your own at that point? It was just the one when you were a boy.
Yeah, that was it. That was it. But I'll tell you a little bit further on in this story. This is something very interesting.
I see. And when you're talking to this woman on your first field investigation case, are you fully convinced that this phenomena that people are talking about is extraterrestrial, that this is off Earth? Or is it possible it was military tech, it's our own military? Are you going in with a level of skepticism? Oh, I was totally skeptical.
Okay. I... When I heard what she was saying, I looked at the senior investigator and I said, really? You know, but then the next case and then the next case and then the next case that came up. they were talking about the same thing. And so at that point, I'm saying to myself, there's something really going on here that's significant. How similar were the details? Very similar.
Very similar. Any major discrepancy that made you say, like, these are not?
They all have little differences. They all have differences. Sure. But the overall thing that they are taken, they're brought on board the craft, they're examined, and they're brought back. That's it. But in the interim, all the little details, that can be all over the place as to what's going on.
So one of these experiencers said to me, he said, do you know of other people having experiences like this? And I said, yes, I do. And the next thing I know, I'm facilitating a support group in my office. in San Jose. And so that's where I really started to learn more about the phenomenon by really hearing all these different cases that these people were talking about.
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Chapter 5: How are alien implants connected to personal experiences?
Certainly monitoring and tracking, but also I've been told that they're monitoring our health. Hmm. In some way, shape, or form. Yeah, there you go. There you go. There's some of them right there. Interesting. Yeah.
Hmm.
Yeah, the implant thing is quite interesting. And then people are talking about the fact that not only they have those implants, but then they have also other marks on their body, triangular dots on their skin or scoop marks on their legs. And then a lot of these people have consciously remembered these things happening to them. So that puts a little bit more... Sure. Into the whole thing.
Now, I'm curious, of the people that you've spoken to that have experienced these types of these abductions and things like that, how many of them were interested or discussing UFOlogy prior to the abduction? And how many of them had no interest in the topic prior to it?
That happens so many times where I get it quite often where people say, I didn't think about UFOs or nothing until this happened. driving down the road. I see this craft or something. Next thing I know, I'm 50 miles down the road. I don't know how I got there. And they say, what happened to me? I got to find out. I got to find out what happened.
Then they come to us and maybe want to get regressed, try to see if they can remember because they can't remember. It happens often where they have no inkling of, you know, thought process going on with UFOs at all, and then something dramatic happens, and guess what?
Yeah, that's interesting because that's another challenging thing for me that the vast majority of people that I've spoken to on the topic will have some type of bizarre anomalous experience as a child or has a very legitimate interest in the topic that then predicates the experience. So they'll say, you know, I lived in a haunted house. I had poltergeist activity.
I experienced a craft similar to your story. I was abducted as a child and then had many years of... No contact or there was repeated contact throughout my teens. And then I got involved in the community. And then there's a couple of times where people say, I've just always thought it was interesting. I started reading books and I started watching documentaries. And then I had this experience.
And again, I don't think that that the timeline here, you know, predicating the experience necessarily negates or invalidates the experience by any capacity. It's possible that the openness creates some type of connection with the being that then you can have.
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Chapter 6: What psychological factors influence abduction experiences?
And you talked about childhood things that happened. In general, abductees and experiencers profile differently than do their comparison counterparts on a number of general psychological and specific neurological variables. Yet there are remarkable similarities between the experiential group and the comparison group.
It should be noted that in no case did experiences or comparison group participants show any signs of mental illness or personality disorder. Fantasy proneness does not appear to play a differentiating role between the experiential and the control groups.
However, sensitivity to alternative realities and early and recurrent paranormal or psi experiences seem to play a role in the abduction experiences. Fantasy proneness is often talked about with these debunkers that say, oh yeah, they're just making this stuff up. And we did not find that to be the case.
Childhood conflict, psychosocial tension and abuse, and trauma more than likely facilitated dissociative coping style in later life. How much a part dissociation plays in the abduction experience remains an open question. So what does that mean? So... Dissociative coping style, dissociative style does not mean it's a psychopathology or anything.
It's just that this is a way that they're dealing with the trauma that they've had. And it seems to be a factor in opening them up. to maybe future experiences. Both experience with an interest in the abduction phenomena have impact on how one's body is perceived to function, how one views the world and one's purpose in it, and how one defines or redefines one's faith, tradition, and beliefs.
In essence, both experience with an interest in contact seem to change one's sense of self and one's worldview. And that's where we talked about the fact that, you know, you need to be better prepared To one another, be more loving, be more concerned with the environment, things of that nature.
Abductees experience to believe that there is a sentient, purposive alien intelligence at play in their lives and at work in the world. What the intelligence goals are seem to be more beneficent than benevolent, more benign than malignant. This, though, remains an open question.
Hmm.
Could I see that? Yeah, sure. This is it. So how many people were involved in this study? By the way, well, this was a study with 17 abductees and 51 people that were a control group that didn't have any experience. You can see the full report. This whole study, this is on our website, opusnetwork.org.
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Chapter 7: What evidence supports the existence of reverse-engineered technology?
That was a previous study that was done. Interesting.
So is this to suggest that many people that have experiences did experience some type of childhood trauma?
Yeah. Interesting. It's very, very similar with these people. It seems to be a common thread that goes through them. Not all of them, but a lot of them. Interesting. What do you make of that?
Well, that perhaps the way the brain coped with that trauma and created that disassociation perhaps opens you up to experience these things.
You should be a psychologist. You said that very well.
That's interesting. Now on this topic, I'm curious if you've heard this theory. I'm sure you have. I'd be shocked if you haven't heard it. And again, it's not to dismiss the experiences that people have had, but I've heard a theory posited by one of my friends who was himself an experiencer.
he said that he heard a theory that it's possible that children that suffer specifically can he believes or at least this is a theory that he had heard that children experience it's possible that they re-remember experiences that happen to them in a way that disconnects them or perhaps disassociates disassociates them from the experience and mass or charades itself as something different such that they can interface with it in a safe way yeah yeah they'll say when i was
you know, seven years old, a being came into my room in the middle of the night. I was probed.
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Chapter 8: Why is there a growing push for disclosure now?
I felt unsafe. I was removed. I have this, you know, fuzzy memory. And then I was put back in my bed and I felt gross and scared and sad and I had no one to help me. And... Again, that is a very blanket sort of selective, you know, description of an experience. But some people suggested, oh, that's actually perhaps childhood sexual abuse that happened at the hands of an uncle.
And someone came into your room and they sexually abused you and your brain re-remembered it in a way that it was safe to interface with. Yeah. What do you think of that theory?
Well, I think it's totally possible. Totally possible. And that's... the conundrum, I guess, if you will, that when you're working with someone, you try to get to the truth in some way, shape, or form. And of course, again, we don't do that. We leave that up to the therapist to look at that and analyze it. But yeah, it's totally possible. It makes sense in a way, absolutely.
But I think not all therapists these experiences are because of sexual abuse. Sure.
Of course, childhood sexual abuse doesn't explain the go fast video or, you know, the Wilson Davis memo or, you know, an implant perhaps behind your ears, something like that. So, but I do think it is a relevant piece if we're trying to understand the psychology of what's actually happening to experiencers to consider These types of things as well. Oh, sure.
I'm curious if there's other types of theories in that vein that you've heard.
Well, you know, I mentioned the fact that, you know, we didn't find that fantasy proneness was was an issue. And and the there's other things that these debunkers talk about is sleep paralysis. Right. That this is what's really happening. It's sleep paralysis. It has nothing to do with, well, two thirds of all cases, whether in the bedroom or not, did not involve sleep paralysis.
OK, so, yeah, maybe some of the cases do entail sleep paralysis.
How can we discern that? Is that from a self-report?
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