Les Velez

Because both options feel to me to be a little wild.

But the fact that he just hasn't already had an accident.

Yeah.

Or gotten a little depressed, you know, like the fact that this is happening now, whereas 20 years ago, it's possible these people would have just disappeared or, you know, been laid off or been put in a psychiatric facility with old Jolly West or something like that.

Like all these stories of MKUltra, you know, victims being defenestrated and all of a sudden they're just gone.

Like, why is it now that these people are now being legitimized, put in front of Congress and then written up in the New York Times?

Was there just a massive shift psychologically where people are ready for this information?

Does the United States want to get an edge?

I'm curious.

Do you think that there's any reverse engineered technology that has entered into regular consumption?

Yeah.

What do you think that would be?

That this guy, what was his role within the government?

Corso.

Right.

And you find not only his experience to be, you know-

but his perspective and the way he's conducted himself on this topic to be very compelling.

Yes.

Interesting.

And that experience you had with him.