Lev Gonick

They're developed by our students who they hire

And actually, they also bring on their own PMs and machine learning specialists and the like.

So those are some of the ways.

And then, as you know, my team, unfortunately, knows too well.

I read, I write, I'm always giving them things to read and encouraging them to write and to find out more information.

And to open up the... Basically, our biggest job as CIOs, I think, is to open the aperture of the teams that we get a chance to work with.

Because it's all about the people.

I mean, it's all about our people.

And the biggest challenges we face as professionals is actually finding ways of inspiring our own teams...

And in doing that, trying to open up the aperture so that they find themselves curious and inquisitive and wanting to be of service to the mission of the organizations we work with.

I do have a Zen experience.

It's not necessarily what folks would experience, especially you, because I know a little bit about what you do to remain grounded and centered.

I love to cook.

And so I'm an amateur wannabe chef.

I was a sous chef in another life.

And I love to get lost in it because it is total focus of things outside of the tyranny of the urgent that we deal with.

I also love to travel.

And I do my level best.

My wife is incredibly forgiving.

But when we do travel, I try my very best not to be online all the time.