Lev Gonick

I used to be able to get off the grid.

I now work, as I say, for, you know, a unicorn of a president who doesn't actually understand what that means because that's not how he lives.

And so, you know, we do definitely live with a bit of a digital leash on that.

But for me, travel, you know, going to markets, poking around in the spice business.

The spice markets that are available, learning, trying.

I love to, when we do travel, to go to cooking schools and have a chance to, again, combine travel and food, which are certainly part of my way of staying grounded.

Well, again, thanks, Ed, for the opportunity just to have a conversation with you.

I have to say that I relished those opportunities back when we were working together in Cleveland.

And again, if I have the last word, it's just really how important relationships are, the human relationships are.

Our networks, as I say, our net worth is really our network.

It's the network of humans, technology leaders, people we try to hopefully support and launch on their careers going forward.

I think that's our role and responsibility.

And it's really great for me to reconnect with you, Ed.

Thanks for having me on.