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Lewis Bollard

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
737 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So first, there was some policy upfront, which was because advocates had drawn attention to this practice of killing male chicks, there was real impetus by governments and philanthropists to support kickstarting this technology.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And my estimate is it was about $10 million, very little amount of public and philanthropic money that kickstarted this technology, got it to a point where startups could start to implement the technology.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Yeah, I think there's huge potential for technologists here.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

I mean, there is a lot of low hanging fruit because this is primarily a commodity business that has only done things that reduce the price or increase production levels.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

It has not invested in animal welfare.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And as a result, you find these things it's doing that just seem archaic.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Like the way that it is castrating piglets is with a blunt knife and like no pain relief.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And so in that case, there was a new technology of immunocastration, an injection that achieved the same effects.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And it was very easy to develop.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And so I think there are a whole lot of other practices like that out there.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

There are a whole lot of these archaic practices being done where someone could come in and with a little bit of smart work around this and an actual focus on animal welfare, bring in solutions that could potentially help billions of animals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

I mean, think of what we've done to pigs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So when we took pigs inside from outdoors and we selected them to grow faster and to have this inadvertent greater aggression,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

The first thing they started doing was getting bored and biting each other's tails.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And that was a problem.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So then we said, we'll cut the tails off.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Well, that didn't work.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So then we had to start clipping the teeth and cutting part of their teeth off.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And then that still wasn't enough when it came to the sows.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So then we had to put them in crates to protect them from any other animal.