Lewis Bollard

I think ESG stuff, I think they've all made these targets that they need to implement, and those targets are getting much higher priority than the targets they made on animal welfare.

I think a lot of people care about multiple things, right?

They care about animal welfare and they care about sustainability.

And it is true that in certain cases, these things go hand in hand.

So alternative proteins are both better for animal welfare and have a smaller environmental footprint.

So they are more sustainable.

This is not always the case.

And I think, for instance, one thing that is wild to me is where you have people out there telling people to switch from beef to chicken because it's better for the climate.

Like literally that switch is 23 more animals per year you'll be consuming, costing several years worth of suffering in these factory farms for a pretty marginal climate impact.

And so I do think there is often this tendency that climate just gets total presence.

It's just seen as like, well, obviously that's more important than like any number of animals suffering.

And I actually think that that is more of like an elite narrative than it is what regular people think.

Like I actually think regular people are just pretty horrified by animal suffering and do prioritize that.

Thank you very much.

And thank you for both being willing to take on this tough topic on your podcast and for making such a generous donation match.

I'm really excited about the impact you can have there.

Awesome.