Lewis Goodall

What should he have said?

What could he have said?

You say that you went into Downing Street that morning and you could potentially have been dissuaded from...

I think... So what could he have told you?

What could he have told the country?

It makes it sound like you don't think he can do the job.

No.

But let's be clear, you're being really explicit and you're being really straightforward and direct, which is really admirable.

And to be honest, I will say, reflecting on other conversations you have with other people in government that I've had, this is not...

a totally anomalous description that you're making it isn't and I know also some people don't like to hear that and it doesn't accord with what they might think the Prime Minister might be like but it isn't a completely unique story so I want you to be absolutely explicit do you think he's incapable of doing this job I think there are

You didn't think that the crown was in front of you and there's no part of your thinking whatsoever about yourself becoming prime minister.

It was a purely altruistic act.

It can be both.

You can both believe these things.

I don't, for a moment, disbelieve you when you say,

your concerns about the Prime Minister and you don't think he can recover.

But it's also about you becoming Prime Minister.

You want to be Prime Minister.

There's nothing ignoble about it.

No, I'm standing.