Lewis Goodall

Others say some of the things.

Another thing comes up again and again, which is the idea that he's not political.

Do you think that?

Do you think fundamentally he's kind of in the wrong job?

He's not really a politician.

And that's one of the reasons why the public don't get him, which you've alluded to.

So, Wes, look, this has been, I think, for a lot of people, a pretty chilling week in politics.

We've obviously had the case of, tragic case of Henry Novak, which would be tragic in itself.

But we've also had the politics which has flowed from it, a politics which actually, as we know, the rather remarkable family of Henry did not want to see, but we've seen it anyway.

What have you made, now not being in government and sort of seeing some of the reaction from the inside, so watching it from the outside, what have you made of the politics of this week?

So let's be clear, you're saying that this is the politics of the 1930s.

So you're saying it's fascistic?

It's a bit more than nationalism, isn't it?

Because you can get contemporary nationalism.

You're talking about something over and above.

You're invoking the 30s.

That's not just nationalism.

You're not saying Farage is a fascist, and I can understand that.

But that ad and the strategy and that type of politics of that ad, would you say that that was like fascism?

He talks about the politics of decency.