Lewis Goodall

And that's why I left the government.

You think that the stakes are that high, that if Kiyosama continues, that he will be the midwife to that sort of policy?

100%.

You have a very mixed constituency.

One of the things about this sort of politics is that it sort of cascades through society.

Do you see that in your constituency in terms of racism and so on?

So in practice, you've just talked about some of the things that Musk has been responsible for this week, which X has been responsible for this week.

There have been other things even as well.

One of your parliamentary colleagues, Chesa Sato, now trying to take X to court because of the, again, appalling fact that, you know, there are images made of her in bikinis or sexually compromising positions or whatever it is.

We've seen the journalist Kathy Newman facing death threats as a result of...

Given all you said about X, and clearly what you think is basically quite a malign influence now on British politics, if you were Prime Minister, is there not a case for the British government to withdraw from it?

an extraordinary signal, wouldn't it, to journalism, to other public organisations that, frankly, this is an organisation, this is a social platform which is doing more harm to British democracy than good, and the British government doesn't see much point.

But Musk controls the algorithm.

He controls it all.

We've got to be in the spaces where the public are.

And you talk about political interference.

I mean, it's not just Musk, of course.

The US State Department, the Trump administration, has got involved on this question of two-tier policing in our country.

They tweeted, I think it was yesterday, about the Novak case.

Ideological conditioning and two-tiered policing are glaring symptoms of civilizational decline.