Lewis Goodall

I just just just before we get onto the kind of defining the terms of it, which I think is important.

Why?

Why did you want to write that?

But why did you want to write a book which treated them politically and as political and economic actors?

So you were there at the beginning, effectively, or at least the beginning of the modern iteration anyway.

But in terms of the lot, you were around the cast of characters that we've become, or a lot of us have become familiar with, and the companies and the work, like OpenAI, SAML, and these sorts of people.

You were sort of in their orbit at that time.

And just remind us, because I think we sort of band this around a bit.

OpenAI, when it came along, what was it?

And why did they make that transition?

I mean, obviously, in one sense, it's obvious because they're about to do an initial public offering at a trillion dollars.

But they started.

Did you think that they genuinely started with an altruistic intent or is it all just a bit of a smokescreen?

And Altman and Musk parted ways during that process.

You have it, Elon.

No, you have it, sir.

fine with that basically what happened with Donald Trump a little bit later on exactly exactly at the time he was fine with that because he didn't think opening I would succeed and then opening I became very successful under Musk's definition of success and then he became very angry and in a way that brings us doesn't it to kind of the title of your book which is or rather almost a title because you talk about empire of AI but in a way I suppose in a sense it's empires of AI that's right competing empires that's right and before we get on to that in a way I think like just breaking down even just a sort of

the main words of your title is really sort of important and interesting, isn't it?

Because it sort of tells us a lot.

First of all, let's actually just get really back to basics.