Lewis Goodall

I think a lot of listeners and viewers, sometimes we sort of band all these terms around and we,

we sort of imagine everyone knows what they mean, but very often the people talking about them, something we'll go on to discuss, don't know what they mean.

I think one of the most interesting things that you point out in your book and in your writing elsewhere is that AI in itself is both a highly contested term, even the bits of it, the artificial and the intelligence are highly contested and kind of means everything and nothing.

So what does AI mean?

Does it mean anything or is it actually better understood as a sort of different set of competing things?

You'd say I'm taking the train or whatever.

But even then, in the 50s, as you talk about, even talking about its artificial intelligence, that wasn't the only name that was discussed, right?

Because as you've talked about that...

intelligence is even a sort of contested concept, right?

Which is I wasn't actually aware that there is actually sort of no scientifically agreed definition of what intelligence is, even in the human mind.

Yeah, that's right.

Let alone in the artificial mind, so-called.

So therefore, if artificial intelligence is about trying to replicate something in the human mind, if we don't even quite know what intelligence is in the human mind... Then how are they going to replicate it?

So there wasn't a nobler ambition even in the 50s?

And does it largely then go into abeyance for a long period?

I mean, it's not something that always, I mean, maybe it was, I just, I'm not aware that it's something that's talked about a great deal in the 60s, 70s and 80s, but it does seem obviously to have had this renaissance over the past decade or so.

And is it the case it went into abeyance?

And why does it have, appear to have that renaissance?

Is it just technological change or is it something else?

We talk about that all the time, don't we?